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title: "Ep. 35: Skills vs. Pedigree in Cybersecurity w/Franz Payer"
description: In episode 35 of the LevelUp Cyber podcast your host, Tony Bryan is joined by the CEO and co-founder of Cyber Skyline, Franz Payer. Franz and Tony chatted about the difference between skill attainment and checking boxes with degrees and certifications.
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# Ep. 35: Skills vs. Pedigree in Cybersecurity w/Franz Payer

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In episode 35 of the LevelUp Cyber podcast your host, Tony Bryan is joined by the CEO and co-founder of Cyber Skyline, Franz Payer. Franz and Tony chatted about the difference between skill attainment and checking boxes with degrees and certifications.

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